Tue, May. 10th, 2005, 03:33 pm

Erotica and Pornography

If you're interested in the craft of writing sex fiction, there's a question you'll encounter over and over: What is the difference between erotica and pornography? Let me lay it on the line: I think this is a stupid and pernicious question, and that any attempt to answer it that doesn't challenge its hidden assumptions produces broken answers that lead to sexually and artistically dishonest ways of looking at sex writing.


What sort of answers does the question generate? Google, as usual, knows all and tells all:

I think what makes the difference between porn and erotica is its beauty...porn
denigrates, while erotica enhances

the difference between porn and erotica is that porn sex doesnt seem to have any meaning and is generally a crude way to look at sex.

The difference between porn and erotica is something that lawyers cannot be
left to do, it needs to be done by women, for women, and for children too.

“Porn propels you to a physical climax, whereas erotica brings you to a literary climax, where what lies behind the sex is there—the mental climax,

the difference between porn and erotica is that the latter has better plots.

he difference between erotica and porn is that in
erotica, you show only a feather; in pornography, you show the whole chicken.

The difference between erotica and porn is the subtlety and artistry involved, and
if it is neither artistic no subtle then all it`ll do is put people off

And, of course, Gloria Leonard's famous "The difference between porn and erotica is the lighting."

The quote I found most appealing was from Gary Meyer, writing in the online magazine Clean Sheets. (I sent a story to Clean Sheets once. They rejected it because "we don't want a story that is only about sex; if 50% of the story is devoted to a sexual encounter, that's usually too much.") He wrote: "Erotica is apologetic; porn is pejorative."

There it is. Porn, say the accumulated quotes, is bad. It's nasty, filthy, and degrading. It's dirty. It's of the coarse body, rather than the noble spirit. That's hardly a novel insight, though. The genius in Meyers' quote is in the word "apologetic." Erotica, it implies, is all that nasty stuff that porn is, too. But overlaid on that is something else that makes it (mostly) okay. Rather than the ignoble pursuit of pleasure for its own sake, erotica offers Redeeming Social Importance, or Uplifting Spiritual Content. Or suitably discreet lighting, for that matter. You've fallen into the trap of those Catholic theologians I wrote about recently, to whom pleasure is okay, but only so long as you keep your mind fixed on something else throughout.

When you're fussing over this distinction, there's basically two possibilities. Number one is that your tastes in smut run to gentle deeds and vague descriptions. There's certainly nothing wrong with that, but then you're turning around and saying that people who favor different styles are incorrect--that what they like is "crude," that it "denigrates" its participants. You're holding tight to your martini while demanding stiffer penalties for the dope fiends down the street.

The other possibility is that some of the stuff you're condemning gets you hot, and you're ashamed of that fact. You're bowing down before your superego, when you should be inviting your id.

Brothers and sisters, I am here to tell you today that you should never be ashamed of your imagination. Some things are a good idea to actually do, some aren't. Some fantasies are aspirations, some are just fantasies. Scorn and intimidation are no substitute for good judgment.


Now, I'm not saying that distinctions of quality can't be made. Some writers are more skillful, some are more ambitious, some are more passionate. There's room for all of that. And, though I tend to avoid it myself, the word 'erotica' can reasonably used to describe the subgenre of pornography that strives to be gently lit. But to attempt to draw a bright line between 'good' sexual material on one side and 'bad' material on the other is to invite distrust of sexual pleasure into the very heart of where we should be embracing it.

Tue, May. 10th, 2005 02:20 pm (UTC)
[info]doomtart

I agree with the differences you listed; expecially with 'erotica needs to be done by women for women.'

But I also believe that porn--good, bad, or indifferent--has its place. Even within a committed relationship/marriage there are times when it's just all about the fucking.

Tue, May. 10th, 2005 04:35 pm (UTC)
[info]vinnie_tesla

Erm, I'm afraid you misunderstood my larger thesis and the embedded quote. The quote was from an anti-porn activist on this board, who's anxious to to see vigilantism against people who make and sell porn. Note that she also seems to imply that there are no female lawyers.

My own point, more concisely, is that there is no distinction and that attemopting to draw one is destructive. The list was of quotes I got off of Google that I thought represented the specious distinctions people were trying to make.

Tue, May. 10th, 2005 06:00 pm (UTC)
[info]doomtart: Sorry.

No, I mispoke, didn't make myself clear; I agree that these are misconceptions, especially that erotica is done by women, etc.

Tue, May. 10th, 2005 02:53 pm (UTC)
[info]mme_louise

Hoorah! Not only do I agree with your point, but I think this is one of the better pieces of writing on the topic I've read. Get it published, Vinnie.

Tue, May. 10th, 2005 04:37 pm (UTC)
[info]vinnie_tesla

Many thanks for the kind words, Mme. I take your praise seriously because I admire your own writing so much.

It's sort of a consolidated rant. For the last year or so, whenever I've seen someone making the distinction, I've channeled my urge to yell at them into the intent to do one definitive essay I could point to in subsequent discussions. I'm not sure how much I succeeded, but it's a start at least.

Wed, Aug. 3rd, 2005 09:42 pm (UTC)
[info]tlcbird: ...veering off-topic a bit...

Just to say...I've really been enjoying reading your entries. You bring some points to light that are often pretty hard to find words/clarity for. Other than that I've got nothing specific to add to the topic/s at hand, but...there ya go.

Wed, Aug. 3rd, 2005 09:44 pm (UTC)
[info]vinnie_tesla: Re: ...veering off-topic a bit...

Hey, pure praise is accepted too. I'm very glad you're enjoying it.

Fri, Oct. 19th, 2007 06:37 pm (UTC)
[info]jazzencat

You make valid points. I have read some erotica stories that are every bit as explicit as any porn video, but the difference was it was well written. I find my main objection to porn as you find it in most magazines and videos is that it is pretty boring and predictable. They all generally follow the same set of positions, camera angles et cetera, the only difference is that they sometimes have different performers. If I'm going to watch or read erotic material, obviously I don't expect too much in the way of an engrossing story, that's not the purpose of the exercise, but it doesn't have to be riddles with atrocious spelling and cut-and-paste sentence fragments taken from Hustler. There are a few good videos I have come across so far, but for the most part it's lousy, repetitive and blatantly fake.

Sat, Apr. 18th, 2009 07:48 pm (UTC)
[info]lienne

While ostensibly getting a snack and actually thinking about potential responses to this post, I was struck by the realization that I use "porn" and "erotica" as separate terms to communicate separate things in a way very different from what you describe here.

When discussing my writing, "porn" means "this work contains explicit sexual content". "Erotica" means* "this work was created with the intent of getting somebody off". "Somebody" can mean anyone at all-- me, a specific recipient, the Internet at large...

Obviously, since the distinction is one of intent, it doesn't come into play when discussing works created by people who are not me.

I am strongly in favour of the message of this post, but thought I'd offer an example of an idiolect where the two terms are used to make a distinction that's not quite the one you're condemning.

Although now that I think of it, I could probably make a case that there is something of a purity judgment inherent in my categorization of works meant to get people off as distinct from works that just happen, for whatever reason, to contain explicit sex. Namely, if the work in question is commercial pornography meant to sell itself and to get people off only as a step towards that goal, it is 1) not erotica and 2) relatedly, in some sense, impure.

*Theoretically, because I don't think I've ever used the word in this sense. I was going to in my response to that other post, but then got distracted by the potential pitfalls of making a comment to this blog in which "porn" and "erotica" are not interchangeable without clarifying the nature of the distinction. Hence this comment.

Now I'm going to go refresh my memory of what that other post was about, and hopefully also of what I was going to say in response.

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